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When a Client Won't Pay...

Over the years I have worked on a number of consulting projects and had to put up with a “rotten apple” client on more than one occassion - one that might take an eternity to pay, or might bicker over the agreed upon price after they have received the services rendered and are staring at the invoice, or - worst of all - those that simply don't pay.  Thanks to some excellent long-term clients, I am in the position now where I can be very conservative when accepting new jobs.  Essentially, when working with a new client for the first time I will not do a lick of work that is not pre-paid.  After I have worked with the client long enough to develop and build some trust, and after I have been paid a couple of times, on-time and without nickel and diming, I'll do work on a Net 15 or Net 30 basis.  That has been my policy on consulting jobs for a couple of years now.

However, I have not seemed to learn my lesson in this matter with regards to my training services.  Occassionally a technology training company will request my services to teach a class on their behalf.  I've done this maybe a half-dozen times over the past few years.  Anywho, it's never yet been a problem until recently when a local company failed to pay me for a three-day class I taught.  It has now been over half a year since the services were rendered and I've yet to see a dime.  I've gotten nothing but the run-around when trying to communicate with the company - being sent to voicemail, not getting returned emails or phone calls, being given a cacophony of excuses as to why I've yet to be paid.

When a client doesn't pay I am aware of three available options:

  1. Do nothing - just chalk up the experience, write off the loss on your expense sheet, and never do business with that client again.  This is the easiest approach as it requires no action on your part, counts as income off the top at the end of the year, and can help teach a valuable lesson moving forward.  However, you don't get paid, so that's a bummer.
  2. Sell the debt to a collection company - I've never done this but have talked to consultants who have gone this route.  Essentially you sell what is owed to you to another company for pennies on the dollar and let them hassle the client for their money.  This approach takes a bit more work than doing nothing, but not too much more, and you do get something.  Problem is, you get much less than was owed, although I assume you can take the difference off your income sheet at the end of the year.
  3. Get a judgement against the client - that means take them to court and sue them for the money owed.  This can, of course, be expensive and time consuming and might not yield any results, especially if the client can't pay because they simply don't have the cash.  This route can be especially a hassle if they money owed exceeds the limits allowed for small claims court (hence necessitating hiring a lawyer) or if the client resides in another state or city.

In the past I have, without fail, always taken option #1.  However, I have decided that with this latest client I am going to pursue option #3 for two reasons: first, and most importantly, this client seems very unethical.  They claim that they have yet to pay me because of cash flow reasons, yet they've continued to operate their business for six months since payment was due.  Furthermore, I have talked with a number of other instructors they have hired during various times (both before and after me) saying that they, too, have yet to be paid.  This behavior makes me sick to my stomach.  Second, and more trivially, I am curious about the whole small claims court process.  I've never been to any sort of court matter before, so it will be interesting to observe and record the process and results.

Has anyone taken the small cliams court route before for a non-paying client?  Any advice/recommendations/tips?  Is it worth it or am I just wasting my time and energies chasing a few measely bucks that I likely won't see in the end anyhow?  Thanks!

posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:18 PM

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# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 3:00 AM Miki Watts

I can tell you about my experience... I was hired to work on a project by a small one man software company, and the client declined payment after receiving the product.

My employee decided to sue him at small claims court, and asked me to be a witness and testify, which i agreed to.

Btw, i'm in israel, so things may be different here. We were allowed to bring a lawyer, which we did, and the other side didn't bother to.

The lawyer managed to prove, or at least entangle, the other side enough to convince the judge and he ordered the other side to pay in full.

However, if it's a client that really doesn't want to pay, and not just having cash flow problems, you'll probably end up going to a collection company, though this time you'll have the court order, so you'll get paid the sum in the court order, but it could take quite some time.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 9:16 AM Steven J. Ackerman

You can always try Dunn and Bradstreet. We've had to use them a few times with 'customers' who haven't paid. You basically turn over the debt information to them, and the harass the client with letters, etc., for a fee. This may only be a service that is available to D & B members.

My father has a drawer full of 'judgements', they're usually not collectable.

# Re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 10:02 AM haacked@gmail.com (Haacked)

Also keep in mind, when you win a judgement, they are now court ordered to pay you. When you ask to get paid, you have the extra weight of a legal judgement on your side.

But you still have to collect. As far as I know, the court won't raid their offices and take their money and give it to you. So you may end up using a collection agency anyways.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 2:40 PM Brian

When my friends and I started my current company, from previous experience with our now bankrupt employer. We made a policy of 1/3 down, 1/3 on preview to client, 1/3 before uploading website (should work for apps or training as well). When my partners fail to follow this policy we get burned. Luckily I'm a big guy and when I show up people magically seem to pay me :-)

My suggestion is to get paid 1/3,1/3,1/3 or half down before even taking the gig. If you are in need of the money do it without down payment but insist that you be paid upon completion of the task. That means the same day and immediately after you finish you training session. If something happens at that point call the police. In Florida where I live that would be called Theft by Deception. They promised to pay upon completion of the training but now will not. Just mention cops should get you paid. After that make sure to note who the client is and never work for them again.

My other suggestion is to get on this case immediately. Time is a killer in court and more specifically in recovering money owed. If this particular customer is within a reasonable drive, drive to their location and ask to speak to the owner. Make sure to bring documentation/proof that you provided the service and they need to pay. If he refuses tell him you will call the police and then to court. In California, are you in Ca?, I think the winner gets to have their legal and other expenses reimbursed by the loosing side. This could include you time at your normal hourly rate (mine is $120). Make sure to point these things out to the owner/mgr person so they can make the informed (correct) decision and pay you on the spot.

If you give me their name and number I'll be glad to help you with this. Our customers are awesome and I don't get to do this quite as much as I like ;-)

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 2:43 PM Brian

Please update this blog entry about the outcome or as you progress.

It is beyond sucking to do a bunch of work and not get paid. It makes going Soprano on someone seem reasonable ;-)

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 5:35 PM Jonathan Snook

Often the first step before legal action is to send a registered letter (for proof of receipt) to the company to indicate that they have so much time to actually pay you before you proceed with legal action. This step alone may be enough to get the ball rolling on their end (it has certainly worked for me). Most of all, check with the court in your jursidiction. Every area has different rules. The registered letter, for example, was a required step before filing.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 5:48 PM Brian

Good point Jonathan. I was quick to reply without giving a more detailed order of the steps to take. A Certified Return Receipt letter is a must. To the person who receives it, unless they are complete idiots. It means I'm serious and the next step is a judge. I've never gotten past this step in the past few years. Also NEVER accept a "its in the mail" or "I'll send it out tomorrow" excuse if they call you about the certified letter. Insist on OVernight with a tracking number or that you go pickup the payment directly. I try to pick it up directly to avoid these kinds of excuses but overnight mail is the next best thing.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 8:44 PM Carson

Hi Scott, been there myself unfortunately. Here's where I stand now.

To file a small claim (in WA) the limit is $5K. So even if my client owes me more than that (unless it's a ton more) then I sue for the max and eat the rest.

Filing is a small time and paperwork hassle, but it's not THAT big of a deal. There are a couple hoops you jump through, then if it ends up in court, make sure you've got a water-tight case (read: if you don't have a signed contract and proof you delivered, don't bother).

If you prevail in court (again, speaking for WA) then the judge can
a) force them to pay right away
b) put them on a payment program if they have genuine financial hardship. This is with interest though, so while lame, it does work out.

If they refuse to pay, interest acrues and you can put a lein on their property, wages, recievables, etc. This ensures you do actually get paid. This is the real teeth of the legal system IMO.

After finally doing it once, it's not near as much hassle to sue small claims as I feared, and it's worth it to move them off the excuse train.

Haven't dealt with full-blown court but I would only do it if I felt very confident they had the resources to cover the outstanding debt, and my legal bills.

Non-paying clients stink. I like your normal "pay first" policy. I have a similar one now, and vary it depending on the credibility and history of the client.

Good luck.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/19/2005 11:42 PM Scott Mitchell

Thanks all for your comments. To answer a few questions: I did send a 'return receipt' demand letter back in early May, demanding payment received by June 1st (which never happened; nor have I received any communications from them since then).

I have done some research on it and am aware that a court judgement for payment does not equate with the judge 'forcing' payment. From my understanding, the next step is a hearing in which case you can query the owner under oath regarding their current assets and can move forward on that.

In any case, I'll let ya all know how things proceed here on my blog. Thanks.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/20/2005 12:39 AM Brian

That sucks Scott. They must be real bastards. Never had someone who received a certified letter fail to call and make payment arrangements. Good luck and if it goes to court, consult a lawyer to see what additional costs involved with the proceedings you may be able to recover.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/20/2005 3:29 AM Katie Dixon

Hi Scott. I'm very sorry to hear of this misfortune; I can't believe there are people like that running around. I am in a similar predicament- I am owed $600 for some web designs and book cover designs, and it has now been 11 months since the projects were completed. The worst part is that the client is still using my work on various other sites/servers!

I am really looking forward to what route you take to deal with your problem, as I would like to pursue something similar. Another suggestion that I've read about is sending them an official letter with delivery confirmation. This method will let you know if they are still there, and it will also confirm that they have received the document. The document should contain the amount owed and how they should pay you (cash, check, PayPal, etc.). In addition to that, it should also require them to send you an overnight delivery package/envelope containing the check (if that is your preferred method) along with a Tracking Number so you can track the package and they can't claim that it was lost in the mail.

I wish you much luck with your predicament, and I hope that you are able to resolve it soon.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/20/2005 8:21 AM Raterus

I've never had to deal with this fortunately, but anyone ever though to create a back-door "shut-down" of your programming work, that you could instigate if they didn't cough up the cash.

ASP.net example: Say in Application_BeginRequest you looked for a particular URL, /badclientapp/nowork4you.asax When you catch it, you enact some devilish code to "break" your application, certainly you'd need a way to undo it as well.

Don't know of how legal this would be, but it would certainly be justified, especially if you gave your work to a company who doesn't have the resources to "fix" it. :-)

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/20/2005 10:35 AM Steve Perry

If you can get a few more instructors that have not been paid to go into court with you, you may be able to file a class action lawsuit against the company. I think those could force the company close, if they don't settle and are found guilty.
Good Luck.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/20/2005 12:42 PM Sean Chase

Good for you Scott, I hope it works out for you. I went to an "up-front milestone fee" requirement for development projects. Milestones and their fees written into the contract. The first milestone is fairly inexpensive, but it seems to weed out the complete flakes. I've never had this happen, but if milestone #2 payment is late, work stops and the project is delayed until payment is received. It also affects the delivery date per the contract. Like I said, I've had people flake out before the first milestone, so it seems to work. Oh, and the detailed design doc is part of milestone 1 so I don't get burned spending a bunch of time on that for nothing which is a nice way to structure things IMHO.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/21/2005 9:00 AM Nicolas

HI.

Here in my coutry one of the most used instruments to handle this situations BEFORE signing the contract is to issue an insurance policy, so if the client don´t pay or if you don´t deliver, the Insuracne company pay the other side and sues the part that didn´t comply.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/21/2005 2:30 PM Cheng Yuan Yap Ye

Scott, please continue posting updates about your case. I'm really interested to find out how you and the others handle this kind of situation. It would be great if you could add this post to your Going Independent series. That's my favorite category from all your posts. :)

What I'm curious about is how do you ask for payment upfront before you know how many hours you will spend on a project? If you estimated you would spend 80 hours on a project and billed the customer, what happens if you end up spending 90 hours?

Raterus, I don't think a "back-door shutdown code" is legal nor ethical. However, if you have specified that in your contract I'm sure you have every right to do that. It probably just needs to be written in a more friendly language, perhaps something to the effect of "In the event payment has not been received within 60 days after client has been invoiced, the service provider will at its sole discretion terminate the service provided and render existing services non-functional."

Nicolas, the insurance policy is an excellent idea. But if a customer can choose not to purchase the insurance, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having the insurance policy in the first place? This won't happen of course if the insurance is a required purchase. But then again, is it legal to require insurance?

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/26/2005 9:28 PM PJ

Never sign an agreement to turn over any source code to any client without payment. Most of my customers are US Government and I never have such problems, however, I would advise all independents to never to give source code without payments.

# Screw It, I Filed the Claim 6/30/2005 7:39 PM Scott on Writing

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 6/30/2005 8:18 PM JD Austin

I am going to court tomorrow in Tempe AZ for just this issue.

I just hate clients that think they can wait until the project is almost done (over 40 hours) and then haggle on your already agreed rate. When he offered me 1/2 of what he already owed me to do 15 more hours of work I resigned immediately and sent an invoice for unpaid time spent on his project. Registered demand letter and multiple email invoices didn't work, so I filed suit against him.

The case is going to mediation, because his version our agreement varies vastly from the truth. I think I have a pretty good case, but you never know. He actually COUNTERSUED for the money he'd already paid!

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 8/8/2005 3:06 PM Majid

I did sue a rather big IT company in Seattle a few years ago in Small Claim Court. It was a great experiance. The only reason I did it was that they lied to me. They owed me money too but I really had not sued them if they were honest with me.
I learned a lot. I went to court before my hearing and watched some other cases. This way you can learn what kind of evidence is
acceptable and how to argue your case. Make sure you are familliar with the law (state law in this case). For example, I learned if you go to work every day for 8 hours but the company doesn't give you any work to do even though you are employed by them they don't have to pay you. You need to prove that they asked you for that work and you did that and how long it took you. That was my case. Your case is surely very different but this should give you some ideas.
Another thing that I learned is that you shouldn't tell them you will sue them if you really are not going to do that. They actually can sue you for that. Don't blackmail them.

I won the case though I wasn't able to get lots of money. That was one of my happiest days ever. One good thing is that the judgement will show on their records and can cause trouble for the company no matter how small it is . The other thing is that you force the head of the company to get his ass to the court. In my case they had brought a team of 3 people. In your case make sure none of them is an attorney. They cannot bring one unless he is a partner which in that case you can postpone the hearing to another time and attend with an attorney. Make sure you don't settle. The whole purpose is to teach them a lesson.

If you have question, email me at majidmo@fastmail.fm.


# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 8/9/2005 9:48 PM Robin Hinton

A now x friend owes me 2600.00 and now won't pay.For a few weeks he paid 50.00 a week, balance now 2600.00 If I take him o court I know he won't pay anyway and will probaly move out of state. If I take him to court and get a judgement againxt him and he doesn't pay what happens then, I know I would win he probaly won't even show up.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 8/12/2005 7:18 PM Guennadi Vanine

Hi, all,
I also have a dozen cases of nonpaying or partly paid clients. Let me tell that all for all I am getting thrice less due to underpayments, related losses of time, etc.

I am going just to put their story on the Internet.
Who is going to have deals with them? knowing them from this side?

What is your opinion? Why don't you do the same? Afraid?

Guennadi Vanine
Gennady_Vanin-online@yahoo.com.br

# Screw It, I Filed the Claim 12/2/2006 2:19 AM Community Blogs

This is the fourth installment of my ongoing Small Claims Court Experience ... In yesterday's blog entry

# Screw It, I Filed the Claim 12/2/2006 2:23 AM Mirror blog entries from the industry

This is the fourth installment of my ongoing Small Claims Court Experience ... In yesterday's blog entry

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 12/19/2006 3:46 AM insurance software

For those of you how raised the insurance policy idea - it is important to process the polices effectively.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 1/11/2007 4:58 PM Justin

I am getting ready to have to figure out the next step towards getting my money from Vince Frese, CEO of Tridia Corporation for his failure to accept payment responsibility for work he asked for. I created a little myspace page about it in an attempt to keep the issue on my mind. I will be updateing the site in the near future to be more clear about th ediscrepancies between contractor and client

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 2/15/2007 5:09 AM Pozycjonowanie

Good point Jonathan. I was quick to reply without giving a more detailed order of the steps to take. A Certified Return Receipt letter is a must. To the person who receives it, unless they are complete idiots. It means I'm serious and the next step is a judge. I've never gotten past this step in the past few years. Also NEVER accept a "its in the mail" or "I'll send it out tomorrow" excuse if they call you about the certified letter. Insist on OVernight with a tracking number or that you go pickup the payment directly. I try to pick it up directly to avoid these kinds of excuses but overnight mail is the next best thing.

Greetings

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 4/4/2007 2:09 PM gry

Never sign an agreement to turn over any source code to any client without payment. Most of my customers are US Government and I never have such problems, however, I would advise all independents to never to give source code without payments.

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 10/30/2007 3:46 AM Muskelmasse

Thanks for very interesting article Oliver. btw. I really enjoyed reading all of your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view… makes you think more. So please keep up the great work. Greetings

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 2/1/2008 3:05 PM Kredit Online

Intresting Articles, Thanks

# re: When a Client Won't Pay... 7/24/2008 3:17 AM Prezenty

Never sign an agreement to turn over any source code to any client without payment. Most of my customers are US Government and I never have such problems, however, I would advise all independents to never to give source code without payments.

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